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Most voters believe news organizations play favorites when it comes to fact-checking candidates’ statements, but this skepticism is much stronger among voters who support Donald Trump than those who back his rival Hillary Clinton.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of all Likely U.S. Voters trust media fact-checking of candidates’ comments. Sixty-two percent (62%) believe instead that news organizations skew the facts to help candidates they support.

На редкость доверчивый народ, конечно. Целых двадцать девять процентов еще верят в эту ерунду, надо же! А ведь есть даже люди, которые верят в производную от этой ерунды – типа, семьдесят процентов высказываний Трампа признано false, а у Клинтон только пятнадцать! И не просто верят, а даже всерьез пытаются использовать это инфоговно в качестве аргумента.

Mirrored from Gears and Springs.

Date: 2016-09-30 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
what is saddening - even SMART people believe fact-checkers. D. does. i no longer even argue.

what was amazing - the debate WAS skewed from the start. Trump was trying to be magnanimous plus he was too busy fielding moderator crap left and right and backward and having a breather in-between - that he did not notice what i did and apparently profis did - teh moderator was quite hostile to Trump and tried to "drown him" from the gitgo.

interestingly, i was not WATCHING, but the sound was way up - Spamsink was watching form the living room, D. from his office perch one level up, and I was listening from the kitchen den.

i saw nobody. it was sound only. i was pissed within ten minutes at the moderator. it was an interesting lesson in sensory gating - remove one modality, you become more sensitized to nonvisual nonmodality context. even TONE ( Molly has to mention that) was different when he spoke to Trump.

and i am not like you and other people who dislike trump or hate hillary. i do neither. remember how you said that a trump type - rude, crass, loud - is inimical to you?

well, to me it is not. IT DEPENDS what is behind rudeness/crassness/loudness. not exactly a kitten, a megalomaniac Munchhausen - but SO WHAT? i have to say that i would have chosen him over the entire republican initial pool of candidates anyway. i don't like Kasich. at all. i don't like Rubio or Cruz. Christy is unelectable and a mafiosi. Bush is a nice man but a milquetoast. Romney is a mormonism-traeger, sorry. i would not take him into SCOUTS, either( you don't know that culture, i am sure)... and so forth. Trump was the only human, not cardboard, fallible, outsider, a 3-partier really. there was nobody to compare him to. Bloomberg is a socialist like Sanders who happened to get rich. Rudi does nt listen to people..

enough rambling. you see the point ;-)

Date: 2016-09-30 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Вижу, да.

Собственно, примерно поэтому же Трамп для меня гораздо предпочтительнее, чем Клинтон. Правда, и в прочих кандидатах нашел бы достаточно положительных качеств - кроме разве что Кристи, который ничем не лучше Клинтонов.
Edited Date: 2016-09-30 11:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-10-01 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com
"TV viewers were much less influenced by the candidates’ positions on political issues than the radio listeners. Regardless of which candidate they agreed with more, those who watched the debate decided who had won based almost purely on evaluations of [...] personalities. For the listeners, on the other hand, both issues and personality influenced their evaluation."

http://daily.jstor.org/how-televising-presidential-debates-changed-everything/

Date: 2016-10-01 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
HOW FUNNY!

Date: 2016-10-01 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Интересно, есть ли сравнения с теми, кто про дебаты читал, а не смотрел или слушал.

Date: 2016-10-01 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com
A single sentence will suffice for modern man. He fornicated and read the papers. After that vigorous definition, the subject will be, if I may say so, exhausted. (c)

Date: 2016-10-01 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whocares1970.livejournal.com
Being smart or stupid has nothing to do with political preferences (or any decision making, really). People _rationalize_ their decisions, not make them rationally.

Being with the left means being against the "majority culture", working for destruction of religion, social and economic structure of the society, patriotism, morals (thus the easiness of doing or accepting immoral things for the sake of winning, the ends justify the means). The leftism is the death instinct of a society. When it becomes predominant, a society dies, and a new order (domestic or foreign) takes its place eventually.

The Clinton - Trump fight is interesting in the sense that they both are products of the old society (unlike Obama or Cruz), thus there is some interesting confusion existing around them, but I do not want to go on and on here and now.

Date: 2016-10-01 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nbaliba.livejournal.com
Все это не отменяет того факта, что Трамп пиз...ит как сивый мерин. Часто потому что ни в зуб ногой по теме.
На его фоне даже Хиллари выглядит приличным кандидатом, и уж конечно образцом компетентности.

Date: 2016-10-01 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Нет, не выглядит. Врет она не меньше, по гораздо более существенным поводам, и свою полную некомпетентность доказала на практике со всей возможной убедительностью. В отличие от Трампа, чья некомпетентность носит пока гипотетический характер.

Date: 2016-10-01 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-clair.livejournal.com
Организаторы дебатов подтвердили сегодня, что Трампов микрофон таки был неисправным ("сипел", "говорил тихо" и ещё что-то такое).

Date: 2016-10-01 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
WaPo: Vindication for Trump? Certainly some, yes. But not completely. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/30/it-turns-out-donald-trump-was-right-about-his-defective-microphone/)

На них не угодишь.

Date: 2016-10-01 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-clair.livejournal.com
Меня, чесно говоря, больше удивляет и даже огорчает, куда смотрит его команда/campaign manager етс) - ведь они все эти "мелочи" должны проверять и проверять!. :(

Date: 2016-10-01 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valerisha.livejournal.com
Есть такие уровни подлости, которые даже не приходят в голову нормальному человеку.

Date: 2016-10-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Насколько я понял, при проверке за час до дебатов все было в порядке.
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