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Статья в WaPo: Autopsies can uphold white supremacy

Краткое содержание - патологоанатомы пишут лживые заключения о причинах смерти, чтобы оправдать белых убийц. Как в случае с Флойдом, где такой мерзавец был вовремя разоблачен.

The preliminary findings of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s report, for example, used the veneer of scientific respectability to advance the outrageous claim that Floyd was partly responsible for his own death — something we know is untrue, given the subsequent reports. This has happened before.


Это в комплект к белым врачам, у которых массово умирают черные младенцы.

Автор, если что, не врач, а "associate professor of history and faculty director of the Albert Lepage Center for History in the Public Interest at Villanova University".

Date: 2020-09-03 12:46 pm (UTC)
cjelli: (ФФП)
From: [personal profile] cjelli
ширма научной респектабельности... Газета "Правда" так и лезет наружу...

Date: 2020-09-03 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arifg
Автор - позорная белая супремасистка, ни одному слову которой верить нельзя. Поставила науку на службу своей белости. Как таких вообще в науку пускают? Я считаю, что университет должен сделать ей cancel, т.к. её белость не позволяет ей быть настоящим расовым ученым.

Date: 2020-09-03 03:10 pm (UTC)
juan_gandhi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] juan_gandhi

Чудесно, чудесно.

Date: 2020-09-03 05:39 pm (UTC)
lxe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lxe
Рвачи-убийцы, чо. И вся страна такая.
Казалось бы, при чем тут слово "Либерия"...

Date: 2020-09-03 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mongwu
History in the Public Interest - сразу ясно

something we know is untrue

Date: 2020-09-03 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] idan11
Главное обобщить как истину и пипл схавает.

Date: 2020-09-04 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] serge_redfield
Всё правильно тётя пишет.
Эту гнилую алгебру надо постоянно гармонией поверять.

Date: 2020-09-03 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com
Floyd was partly responsible for his own death:



я удивлена что это заявление, абсолютно правильное, у кого-то вызывает подобную истерику.
нельзя сказать что он fully responsible, но отчасти конечно это правда по более чем трем причинам:

1. дикое количество нарков, но это он так, каждый день видимо
2. вызов полиции из магазина был еcси послушать tape более за подозрительное "пьяное" поведение чем за возможный фальшивый 20 dollar bill
3. сопротивление полиции.

комбинация вот этих трех плюс 4. колено полицейского пережавшее и без того compromised воздухопоток - причина смерти.
ВаПо давно скурвилось, НуЙоркер я даже не выдержала и отписалась и написала им hate mail по поводу их последних публикаций, они ковиднулись уже терминально.

остался один Wired он аполитичный, и popular mechanics.

back to Floyd. полицейского справедливо обвинят в negligence resulting in death of a detainee, т.е. в непреднамеренном убийстве, и адвокаты его будут спорить that he was following a standard protocol и особой никакой жестокости не применял, а адвокаты Флойда будут говорить что применял и что непрофессионален. что отчасти правда. я думаю его оправдать совсем не смогут, боясь погромов, т.е. справедливый суд над ним невозможен.

а "расистская аутопсия" это даже не смешно.

если человека даже БЕЗ нарков, в том числе дикого количества опиоида который suppresses breathing to begin with, просто положить лицом на землю и долго стоять у него на шее коленом с весом 200 фунтов взрослого полицая, то человек, особенно толстый, вполне может умереть от удушья. это кстати недавно с белым произошло, но на первые страницы не попало. приемчик так себе, а шея место тесное и сложное. лучше бы эту практику отменили, каки кетамин. вообще какой-то гевальт: осужденному, арестанту в тюрьме нельзя без консента давать подобные лекарства, да и любые, а при задержании можно?

Date: 2020-09-03 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Это не истерика. Это пропагандистский текст в рамках гигантской кампании, которую мы наблюдаем уже давно.

Popular Mechanics, кстати, тоже отметился (https://chasovschik.livejournal.com/1284926.html).

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Date: 2020-09-03 02:44 pm (UTC)
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>> Floyd was partly responsible for his own death:

я удивлена что это заявление, абсолютно правильное, у кого-то вызывает подобную истерику. <<

Не забывай, что утверждение, что уровень подготовки чёрных из "partially responsible" for their being "underrepresented" in colleges is already an anathema and a clear sign of white supremacy. Same for saying that they perform worse on SAT/ACT because they are less qualified. No, this is a clear sign of "systemic racism" and the tests being discriminatory. Hе забывай, что Сoнечка Сотомайор именно так и рассудила в случае c Нью-Хейвенскими пожарными, так что эте не новое веяние и не что-то на фринжах. Basically, чёрные can do no wrong. We are dealing with nazism, not just socialism.
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Date: 2020-09-06 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redbut.livejournal.com
Молли,
Вот вопрос: Полицай весит 200 фунтов (меньше, но допустим со снаряжением 200); колено его одной ноги - на шее задерживаемого, носок той же ноги - на земле, вторая нога - тоже на замле, коленом и носком (насколько помню, на видео так; если ошибаюсь, поправь).
Какое усилие приложено к шее?

И еще один вопрос.
"дикое количество нарков, но это он так, каждый день видимо" - мы не знаем, отличается ли этот день от предыдущих, но допустим каждый день - значит ли это, что в этот день он ну никак не мог умереть, кроме как с помощью колена на шею?

Кстати, насчет "дикого количества нарков" - мне попалась статистика по соседнему штату, за год от передоза фентатилом умерло около 600 человек. Больше чем у половины из них аутопсия показала содержание фентанила ниже чем у Флойда. Правда, в статистике не сказано, была ли у кого из них Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe, как у Флойда - хотя, конечно, от этого тоже можно отмахнуться, поскольку уж это точно у него было каждый день.

Date: 2020-09-03 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r00kie.livejournal.com
картина Рембрандта в наши дни: жюри патологоанатомов голосует о причинах смерти

Date: 2020-09-03 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1master.livejournal.com
А что, перспективно. Расово и классово верные товарищи будут в отчетах умирать от рук угнетателей, а угнетатели исключительно своей смертью. Никакие враги не будут портить статистику - продажную девку расистов.

Date: 2020-09-03 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-clair.livejournal.com
А кроме небольшой цитаты у Вас нет текста? Потому как статейка за pay wall и не доступна :(

Date: 2020-09-03 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
В два приема.

On Friday, the state of Minnesota filed a criminal complaint against former police officer Derek Chauvin, charging him with third-degree murder in the death of George Floyd. The charge sheet presented the preliminary findings of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s autopsy, which asserted that Floyd’s death was caused by a combination of factors, including his underlying health conditions such as “coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” Minnesota’s complaint states that “the autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” Three days later, an independent medical examiner hired by Floyd’s family determined that the cause of death was asphyxia from neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain. Within a few hours, the Hennepin County medical examiner released its final public report, which stated that the manner of death was homicide.

Why do autopsy reports matter? Because they are often the most critical piece of evidence in murder cases. Autopsy reports produced by specially trained medical personnel are seen as neutral and objective documents, which give them political power. The preliminary findings of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s report, for example, used the veneer of scientific respectability to advance the outrageous claim that Floyd was partly responsible for his own death — something we know is untrue, given the subsequent reports. This has happened before. Over 100 years ago in India, the use of medical evidence in legal proceedings, which was supposed to secure justice, actually helped white murderers get off the hook. And it threatens to undermine justice again today.

The 19th-century British colonial state in India was a regime of conquest that sought legitimacy through the promise of fair and equal justice. The colonial legal system established in India included modern scientific methods of judicial inquiry — postmortems, toxicology, fingerprinting — that promised to make criminal investigations more trustworthy and reliable. And yet, Europeans who murdered Indians found the scales of justice tilted in their favor. Those accused of killing Indians by bludgeoning them with sticks, straps, canes, swords, whips, bricks, kicks and fists routinely presented scientific proof in court that the deceased had died “accidentally.”

White murderers regularly used medical evidence to argue that Indians had frail constitutions and weak insides that made them susceptible to sudden death. The “diseased spleen defense” was the most infamous of these specious arguments. This argument contended that Indians had morbidly enlarged spleens that were predisposed to rupture from a slight blow or a fall. In trials of violent whites, which were invariably overseen by white judges before white juries, medical experts claimed that the internal weakness of the Indian body — rather than the external ferocity of the European attack — was the primary cause of death.

Medical evidence played a prominent role in these cases because science and technology were part of Britain’s civilizing mission. The expansion of the British Empire in the 19th century was justified by the claim that Anglo-Saxons had a moral duty to clean, heal and modernize the “dark corners of the earth” by advancing the reach of railways, hospitals and Western medicine. But medical knowledge and practice in British India, including the use of medical evidence in legal proceedings, reflected racist attitudes about Indian bodies and Indian culture. An English newspaper warned its readers that “Englishmen ought to refrain from striking natives much on the same principle that would restrain them from aiming a blow at a cripple … the average constitution of natives does not fit them for rough treatment.”

Date: 2020-09-03 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
For example, in 1903, W.A. Bain, a white tea planter, was tried for killing a worker named Lalsu. No one disputed that Bain had tied up Lalsu and beaten him with a stirrup leather until he fell unconscious and died. Bain was charged with culpable homicide and tried before a jury of white planters. The case turned on the expert testimony of Dr. Candler, who was a social acquaintance of Bain’s. Although Lalsu appeared well outwardly, Candler claimed he was in “weak health” and suffered from heart and lung disease. Bain was acquitted of homicide. Convicted of simple hurt (a lesser offense), he was sentenced to only six months of imprisonment without hard labor.

Such cases sparked public controversy. Bain’s supporters claimed that Europeans should not be punished so “harshly” for deadly assaults on Indians. After all, they argued based on race science, Indians might appear outwardly strong but they were inwardly weak. Indian critics noted with dismay that in the eyes of colonial law, it was virtually impossible for a European to murder an Indian.

In colonial India, whiteness functioned as a license to kill and law and medicine provided alibis. Modern instruments of “civilized” society, like autopsy reports, have historically legitimized racist structures of white supremacy. As the American anti-lynching activist Ida B. Wells famously observed in 1883, “Those who commit the murders write the reports.”

The autopsy should be viewed with this historical context in mind: white power in 19th-century India and 21st-century America, both former British colonies, are built upon the twin piers of law and violence. The autopsy uses the idea of the inwardly weak, the unknowingly frail, the invisible “underlying health conditions” to exonerate white murderers who kill out of disregard for black lives.

The Floyd case sits on a long historical continuum of cases involving legal and extralegal violence against black and brown people in the United States and across Britain’s global empire. A 21st-century version of the “diseased spleen defense” lurks in the shadows of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s autopsy report: Can Officer Chauvin be held responsible for the death of a man with invisible “underlying health conditions”? Although Chauvin’s trial has not yet begun, it appears that a racial wrench may have been introduced into the wheels of justice.

The past is neither dead nor past. The threat of white violence, which sustains white power in subtle and imperceptible ways, sometimes erupts hideously into plain view. Then we see Bain. Or Derek Chauvin, hand in pocket, casually kneeling on the neck of a man pinned to the pavement for nine agonizing minutes as he calls for his dead mother and moans, “I can’t breathe.”

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Date: 2020-09-03 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-clair.livejournal.com
Ясно, что статейка написана в связи с тем, что адвокаты Chauvin'a подали на днях требование "has asked a court to dismiss the charges against their client." на основе заключения патолоанатомов о смерти в связи с передозировкой наркотиками.

Сравнение с "The 19th-century British colonial state" по-видимому притянуто для чтоб читатели начали привыкать, что Америка - это отсталый колониальный угнетатель.

Date: 2020-09-03 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Нет, статья гораздо более ранняя. И сравнение не притянуто за уши, оно единственный пойнт всей статьи. То есть прогрессивная специалистка по истории Индии позапрошлого века с уклоном в антиколониализм увидала в газете про политически некорректные результаты вскрытия, вспомнила, что аналогичный случай был в ее колхозе в 1850-м году, написала статейку с залихватским обобщением и кинула ее в WaPo. А там это добро как раз и сгодилось для нарратива.

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Date: 2020-09-03 06:11 pm (UTC)
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Дакчо. В университете Сан Франциско будущих учителей сейчас учат тому, что генетика - продажная девка угнетателей. А кто возражает - вызывают на педсовет с целью определить, возможно ли расиста допускать к детям.
Все потому что у них сейчас модный тезис: под расой нет научной основы, а реальная наука не вполне вписывается в сей однобитный тезис.

Ну, тем хуже для науки.

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Date: 2020-09-03 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scherkas.livejournal.com

Интересно, даже эта статейка в WaPo осторожно обходит стороной вопрос, был ли у Флойда передоз..

Date: 2020-09-03 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Старая статья, еще до информации о количестве фентанила у него в крови. Кроме того, автор статьи ни хренушечки в этом все равно не понимает.

Date: 2020-09-03 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopstr.livejournal.com
Если судить по моему опыту аж одного судебного случая прослеженного в прессе, заключение судмедэксперта нередко связано с тем, чего хочет прокурор.

В том случае было совсем карикатурно: судмедэксперт по результатам вскрытия (!!!) утонувшего заключила, что это убийство "путём вывинчивания затычки из каяка" (homicide caused by "kayak drain plug intentionally removed by other"). Каяк она, как я понимаю, не вскрывала.

В этом случае наука опять-таки следует за прокурором. Прокурор передумал, ну и наука за ним.

В общем, судмедэксперт никак не нейтральное лицо, а часть команды обвинения, и представляет точку зрения прокурора.

С этой точки зрения то, что Крамп заказал вторую экспертизу, выглядит совсем забавно.

Date: 2020-09-03 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chasovschik.livejournal.com
Мне вообще очень любопытна роль Крампа во всех этих делах. Он ведь вроде вписался во все эти истории до единой, начиная с Трейвона Мартина. Флойд, Блейк, Бреонна Тейлор - везде он. И modus operandi у него везде один и тот же, естественно.

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Date: 2020-10-01 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-clair.livejournal.com
пост убран - не туда запостила сначачлч
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