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chasovschikСовершенно ослепительная заметка: Why we should believe women who accuse right wingers of rape more than those who accuse liberals.
Содержание понятно из заголовка; Арбат ее уже описал, я тоже сохраню на память. Даже не в виде ссылки, а целиком, она маленькая.
I’m sorry I haven’t been very active on the website these past few months, I’ve had some personal stuff going on in my life that needed handling and some of my co-writers have bailed on me, thanks to Internet trolls. Ever since some of our opinion pieces went viral on social media platforms when we first launched, we have received a barrage of hateful comments and death threats that caused some of our most prolific authors to call it quits – and honestly, I don’t blame them. The far right seems to be increasing its dominance on the Internet, but that’s a topic for another time.
Before I begin, I just want to state explicitly that no one supports victims of sexual assault more than me. As a survivor of sexual assault myself and someone with lots of friends who have either been raped, degraded and or assaulted by men at some point in their life, I am well aware of the damning effects sexual assault can have on a woman’s life. Rapists and sexual harassers deserve no sympathy and no due process. They deserve an eternity of suffering and torment, much like what their victims have to go through everyday.
However, this is not about rapists or victims of rape, but rather, about how so called “sexual harassment” is being used to devalue the work of longtime civil right activists and pushers of progressive values . Hollywood is currently experiencing what is perhaps its most damning controversy yet, which has seen many (mostly liberal) men like Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, Ben Affleck and Kevin Spacey accused of sexual assault by men and women, some of whom allege that the assault took place decades ago.
The most shocking of these accusation came yesterday when a long-time LGBT activist and personal mentor of mine, George Takei was accused of making unwanted advances towards an aspiring model in 1981 (36 years ago.) These accusations have had irreversible effects on the accused (Kevin spacey has had several of his shows and movies cancelled, George Takei has had his role for an upcoming movie recast). Meanwhile, right wing personalities like Donald Trump and Bill O’reilly who have been accused of sexual harassment have faced almost no repercussions for their actions. In fact, one of them actually went on to become the President of the United States.
Regardless of whether any of these men are guilty of the crimes they have been accused of or not, one thing is for sure – the ones who hold left wing values have earned the right to make at least one mistake in their lives. George Takei has helped millions of LGBT children around the globe come out and be comfortable in their sexually. Harvey Weinstein has donated funds to many Democratic candidates and grass-root movements that have helped us secure political power. Who cares if these men have made one or two mistakes in their lives? What’s important is that they have realized their mistakes and are willing to learn from them, which is more than I can say for Trump and his fellow GOP rapists.
We should sympathize with the victims of these liberal men, but we should not devalue the work and legacies of their rapists. To focus too much on the accusations brings to light these men’s political ideologies, which wrecks havoc for us. It would be hypocritical of us to keep criticizing Trump and rape culture when so many men among us have been accused of sexual assault. If more liberal personalities get accused of sexual assault between now and 2020, Trump is going to win a second term. I don’t know about you, but I would rather live in a world where liberals hold political power and a few women get raped than one in which conservatives hold power and women still get raped.
UPD: посмотрев остальные заголовки и статьи в этом Medusa Magazine, - а там все вот такое и даже похлеще, - заподозрил неладное. Уж не пародия ли он, так сказать. По размышлении, однако, понял, что не могу решить, настоящий это ресурс или какие-то негодяи издеваются над феминистками. Опыт показывает, что множество реальных феминистических воинов давно неотличимы от пародии на них же: на читаемых мною сайтах Feministing и Everyday Feminism пишут примерно то же самое, что и на этой Медузе. Полез в Гугль, оказался там далеко не первым, кого интересует этот вопрос. Пишут, вроде, что не пародия; хотя вот тут сходятся на том, что это hoax. Черт их знает. Caveat emptor.
Содержание понятно из заголовка; Арбат ее уже описал, я тоже сохраню на память. Даже не в виде ссылки, а целиком, она маленькая.
I’m sorry I haven’t been very active on the website these past few months, I’ve had some personal stuff going on in my life that needed handling and some of my co-writers have bailed on me, thanks to Internet trolls. Ever since some of our opinion pieces went viral on social media platforms when we first launched, we have received a barrage of hateful comments and death threats that caused some of our most prolific authors to call it quits – and honestly, I don’t blame them. The far right seems to be increasing its dominance on the Internet, but that’s a topic for another time.
Before I begin, I just want to state explicitly that no one supports victims of sexual assault more than me. As a survivor of sexual assault myself and someone with lots of friends who have either been raped, degraded and or assaulted by men at some point in their life, I am well aware of the damning effects sexual assault can have on a woman’s life. Rapists and sexual harassers deserve no sympathy and no due process. They deserve an eternity of suffering and torment, much like what their victims have to go through everyday.
However, this is not about rapists or victims of rape, but rather, about how so called “sexual harassment” is being used to devalue the work of longtime civil right activists and pushers of progressive values . Hollywood is currently experiencing what is perhaps its most damning controversy yet, which has seen many (mostly liberal) men like Harvey Weinstein, Louis CK, Ben Affleck and Kevin Spacey accused of sexual assault by men and women, some of whom allege that the assault took place decades ago.
The most shocking of these accusation came yesterday when a long-time LGBT activist and personal mentor of mine, George Takei was accused of making unwanted advances towards an aspiring model in 1981 (36 years ago.) These accusations have had irreversible effects on the accused (Kevin spacey has had several of his shows and movies cancelled, George Takei has had his role for an upcoming movie recast). Meanwhile, right wing personalities like Donald Trump and Bill O’reilly who have been accused of sexual harassment have faced almost no repercussions for their actions. In fact, one of them actually went on to become the President of the United States.
Regardless of whether any of these men are guilty of the crimes they have been accused of or not, one thing is for sure – the ones who hold left wing values have earned the right to make at least one mistake in their lives. George Takei has helped millions of LGBT children around the globe come out and be comfortable in their sexually. Harvey Weinstein has donated funds to many Democratic candidates and grass-root movements that have helped us secure political power. Who cares if these men have made one or two mistakes in their lives? What’s important is that they have realized their mistakes and are willing to learn from them, which is more than I can say for Trump and his fellow GOP rapists.
We should sympathize with the victims of these liberal men, but we should not devalue the work and legacies of their rapists. To focus too much on the accusations brings to light these men’s political ideologies, which wrecks havoc for us. It would be hypocritical of us to keep criticizing Trump and rape culture when so many men among us have been accused of sexual assault. If more liberal personalities get accused of sexual assault between now and 2020, Trump is going to win a second term. I don’t know about you, but I would rather live in a world where liberals hold political power and a few women get raped than one in which conservatives hold power and women still get raped.
UPD: посмотрев остальные заголовки и статьи в этом Medusa Magazine, - а там все вот такое и даже похлеще, - заподозрил неладное. Уж не пародия ли он, так сказать. По размышлении, однако, понял, что не могу решить, настоящий это ресурс или какие-то негодяи издеваются над феминистками. Опыт показывает, что множество реальных феминистических воинов давно неотличимы от пародии на них же: на читаемых мною сайтах Feministing и Everyday Feminism пишут примерно то же самое, что и на этой Медузе. Полез в Гугль, оказался там далеко не первым, кого интересует этот вопрос. Пишут, вроде, что не пародия; хотя вот тут сходятся на том, что это hoax. Черт их знает. Caveat emptor.
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Date: 2017-11-16 02:16 pm (UTC)- А в свободное время чем увлекаетесь?
- Я идиот-любитель.
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Date: 2017-11-16 03:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-16 01:17 pm (UTC)Вот это честно сказано. "Мне все равно, что женщины будут raped, я хочу либералов у власти".
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Date: 2017-11-16 01:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-16 02:08 pm (UTC)Трамп такой же демократ или республиканец как я - он трампист.
вообще сравнивать Трампа и Моора как "обидчиков" - неверно.
ну и я окоселяа от того как эта левая пизда по ссылке оправдывает Вайстейна - это уже запредел. там-то все яснее ясного.
то есть сериальный харассер и насильник, с доказанными вполен событиями, с уголовным расследованием которое было "выкуплено", с миллионами выплат теткам за угрозы "спеть" - это у него "один такой случай" и он "раскаялся"?
да блин же.
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Date: 2017-11-16 07:26 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Burleigh#.22The_Nina_Burleigh_Rule.22
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Date: 2017-11-16 07:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-16 08:26 pm (UTC)This is being played out real-time with Al Franken accusations right now.
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Date: 2017-11-16 08:29 pm (UTC)erbrechen. Yech.
but i have to tell you - she should have come out earlier.
the toxicity of that encounter is mightily diluted with time.
he is a jerk, Al. so? he fondled heer pretend- breasts and made a sophomoric picture. she should have complained then.
if he really aggressively french-kissed her - she should have torn away from him and screamed. SHE DID NOT. so it is all on her.
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Date: 2017-11-16 08:41 pm (UTC)And now there's a 2nd woman, also former radio personality
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Date: 2017-11-16 08:53 pm (UTC)Насчет "Why can't Roy Moore be a man?" - а если про него врут (сохраняется довольно-таки высокая вероятность того, что там очень много клеветы), тоже надо кланяться и все признавать?
Вообще интересный вопрос, если отвлечься от конкретного Мура, чтобы не тонуть в деталях. Организовать такую атаку - не то чтобы раз плюнуть, но вполне возможно. Вот, значит, находится две-три обвинительницы, к которым атакуемый якобы сорок лет назад приставал. Unwanted advances. Из доказательств - одна из них работала тогда в ресторане неподалеку от его офиса, вторая тогда же рассказала о приставаниях сестре, сестра подтверждает, а третья просто плачет и очень убедительно рассказывает, что из-за этого все эти сорок лет плохо спит. Все, больше ничего нет. Что делать с такой атакой, если атакуемый ни сном ни духом?
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Date: 2017-11-16 09:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2017-11-16 08:55 pm (UTC)what bothers me is the same that annoys CH. - it is an epidemic. which means that meritricious cases will be bunched up with crap and outright lies.
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Date: 2017-11-16 08:59 pm (UTC)Can't wait for the other shoe to drop on this one:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/14/dem_rep_jackie_speier_two_current_members_of_congress_have_engaged_in_sexual_harassment.html
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Date: 2017-11-16 09:04 pm (UTC)my undergrad college had a habit of sending a huge number of graduates to washington. i was also in teh eating club, an alternative one, that was left/progressive. you would be too if you were there and then. i was no preppy and did not want to associate myself with rich people. i was an ethnic and knew my place.
anyways - i was good friends with and followed for a few years some folks who did go to washington.
and it was a sexual snakepit. but it goes both ways. harrassment and advancment. predatory men YES< galore, and as many predatory women.
that is what current feminists fail to acknowledge.
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Date: 2017-11-16 11:19 pm (UTC)would fit right inno subject
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Date: 2017-11-17 12:22 am (UTC)with franken - he is an asshole. but she hsould have spoken earlier.
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Date: 2017-11-17 06:49 am (UTC)тэг "Trolls" там стоит, впрочем, у них, наверное, все одна хрень, что троллинг, что нет