chasovschik

Ну вот Трампа всю дорогу описывали согласно нарративу, и дальше будут. Он, однако, выиграл и пока что худо-бедно противостоит, а упомянутые ублюдки выглядят так себе.

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Думается, обамыч прав, если бы не фокс и все сми шли единым фронтом, не было бы у Трампа и шанса.

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обамыч конечно суперправ, как и всегда, кому-кому, а ему ли не знать, что такое бешеная травля в печати ... oh wait, never mind

Edited Date: 2016-12-06 03:57 am (UTC)

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тебе говорят - ты расист! отвечаешь им - да, сука! пиздец вам теперь. кое-каким ублюдкам не помешает немного расизма (исламофобии, мизогонизма, чего там ещё придумают)

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Come on, CH. either altt-right does not exist at all, ia . "loose term to include all pro-trumpers" - or it is SPencer and his views and his buddies, who are fringe, but a blown-up fringe.

if it is the former - it is a sensless term, "deplorables " is better, i am a deplorable, but i a NOT alt=right.

if it is the latter - tehn it is true, spen=cer and his buddies are neo- KKK.

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В данный момент термин alt-right имеет к реальности очень опосредованное отношение, даже если где-то есть какие-то люди, которые так идентифицируются. Тем не менее это не senseless term. Это инструмент, который активно используют, одновременно продолжая затачивать согласно приведенным инструкциям.

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my russian sucks. what is "опосредованное"

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indirect

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O, thanks.

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i AGREE. they are trying to make it into . 1) something that counts, and 2) something connected to bannon and thus trump.

but the term itself and arbat's defense of these mysterious "alt-righters" is infuriating. why defend something that does not exist??

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Кое-что там есть, тот же Спенсер сотоварищи, хоть их и мало. Но зачем их защищать, я не знаю. На мой взгляд, то, что там физически есть - ровно та же самая identity politics, что слева. А мне это дело очень не нравится с любой стороны, и мне даже все равно, кто первый начал.

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I understand arbat's defence on a theoretical level. However for all practical purposes if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

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i don't get it - clarify if you care to?

i am done with Arbat. he has some good features, and he surprised me immensely by supporting Trump when other parteigenosses were contemptuous and dismissive of him - however, ultimately he remains a demagogue and an angry little prick. this case is a good illustration. on a "theoretical level" you can defend KKK, too - with the notion that not all people belonging to KKK are bad people despite being racists, that some may have been confused, that the idea of racial segregation may have some whatever blah blah. in that sense one can defend anybody to anybody.

but here we have a discrete group of people who defined themselves as "alt-right", they have a program, a website, and a vocal leader who goes on national media repeatedly to explain what his group is about. it is about racism, and about white supremacy, no matter how you interpret him.

to say that "not all alt-right are racists" = "not all KKK members are racists" .

so he is defending a flawed position, and using revolting demagoguery and godvinization like ="all Jews are evil".

this intellegtual dishonesty, common in both left and right parteigenosses, plus hisangry little member - makes conversation with him fruitless. no more. he is a duck. sorry, misspell - a dick. he walks like a dick and quacks like a dick.

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You are making a mistake of saying alt-right is KKK or that that guy is the leader of alt-right because he said so. I saw Arbat was trying to explain that to you. However he failed. Partially because he was demagoguing and partially because you've already decided for yourself that alt-right = KKK.

It's really hard to explain if you only hear of places like reddit and 4chan only from CNN reports. There's no discrete group of people who defined themselves as "alt-right" They do not have a program, a website, and a vocal leader. Most of alt-right is online and consists of people who grew up playing Call of Duty, name calling each other jews, saying that things are gay and shitposting for lulz. They've grew up but still trying to insist that taboo words that are funny and provocative for 12 year olds should be as acceptable and liberating for grown ups. And yes now thanks to media everyone is lumped into alt-right from Stormfront to people who don't agree with main stream conservatism.

I agree with Arbat that most of people who consider themselves to be in alt-right are not racists. They say words like faggot, kike and post holocaust cartoons just for fun and because they can. However, for practical purposes I don't feel like checking with every one of them if they are doing it for lulz or because they believe in ZOG theory.

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OMG.

this reminds me of various alternative medicine modalities that claim a certain energy but the energy is not measurable. same here - you claim " Most of alt-right is online and consists of people who ......." - but where is that online? do they call htemselves alt-right? do they identify with Spencer? i only count "alt-right" as those who cluster around him and confirm his message as their belief. the rest??? ill-defined. vacuous.

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Online... в этих ваших интернетах... world wide web. Twitter, 4chan, reddit, various game forums and boards. As I've said, it's hard to explain unless you interact with people on those platforms. If you decided to define alt-right for yourself as 200 people who gathered in DC to listen to Spencer so be it.

"...according to a 2016 description in the Columbia Journalism Review: "Because of the nebulous nature of anonymous online communities, nobody’s entirely sure who the alt-righters are and what motivates them. It’s also unclear which among them are true believers and which are smart-ass troublemakers trying to ruffle feathers."[22] Many of its own proponents often claim they are joking or seeking to provoke an outraged response.[3] Andrew Marantz of The New Yorker describes it as "a label, like 'snob' or 'hipster,' that is often disavowed by people who exemplify it".[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

It's like defining the "Anonymous" movement. Noone knows who exactly behind it but a lot of people claim to be speaking for them.

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THANK YOU.

so they don't really exist, and protecting the nonexistent nonentity with a dubious 200-head front is as ridiculous as to fear it.

this did not change my opinion of Arbat, not by a grain. but at least i see what YOU mean.

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I'm not defending Arbat. He talks about theory, I guess he hasn't been on a receiving end of nazi caricatures in a while. http://arbat.livejournal.com/894274.html

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oh no, don't give me links to him, i am done. not interested.

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Here's Ben Shapiro write-up on Alt-Right that I was providing to Arbat
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4396/responding-alt-right-are-they-bigots-or-just-ben-shapiro

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i will read it out of respect for you, but DO WE REALLY CARE?

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Well yes because you'll hear about alt-right for the next 4 to 8 years. And then of course you'll have people like Spencer trying to use the name to boost their own importance and media will only oblige.

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tea party folded in less than 4 years...

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I think media will prop these ones up as long as possible.

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but if they don't exist.. i men tea party at least was a tangible thing.. those have the rather stupid spencer and a few dozen idiots... i m still to meet a person who identifies with them, and i am in a deep red state and i voted republican for all of the elections since 1980 ( no, sat out one).

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Одним Спенсером можно размахивать довольно долго, он будет очень признателен за рекламу. Глядишь, и число последователей у него вырастет.

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yes, and that's why i think Tump is wise not to "disavow" Spencer, it will only make for more copy.

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People do exist, the defined movement with goals and leaders does not.

Well think about it as a cultural movement instead of political one. No hipster would call themsleves a hipster. It's also a younger crowd. For example Spencer is 38. But there is no defined movement just like there are no leaders among hipsters. Any white male that wears "Make American Great Again" hat, says "something is gay" instead of "something is bad" and most probably thinks that we should only accept immigrants that subscribe to western civilization values would be labeled as alt-right.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

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come on. then I also belong to the alt-right, since i think we should only accept immigrants that subscribe to our values. prior to arrival.

but i will have nohting to do with the fucked-up idiot Spencer and his cunt-headed group of males, young or old.

you cannot give a WORD, a DEFINITION, that has already been hijacked by a fringe group, to people you think up in your head like you described, or to people like me. i object to being labeled something that i am not, and something hateful.

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It hasn't been hijacked by a fringe group. New York Time dug up a fringe group and assigned to them a word and definition that was use to describe something different. So take it up with NYT, CNN, Salon etc.

The same happened to Tea Party when they were called all the same names. The difference is the media was trying to tear down Tea Party and now they are trying to prop up actual white nationalists.

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suppose you are right, and this fringe Spencer guy and his "white male christian over blackies and jews supremacy group" was indeed "assigned" the moniker alt-right - although they seem to have embraced it all too readily.

it does not matter if it was indeed a NYT-sponsored reassignment or Spencer grabbed a loose existing term and applied to himself and his buffoons.

at this point, the association has stuck, and the term needs to be dumped altogether when NOT talking about Spencer and his group.

and overall, the term is idiotic to start with, but only a fucked-up pseudo-talmudist brain of a failed mathematician-baby-boy-turned-new-jersey-systems-analyst will waste time protecting all or part of alt-right.

TFU!

under your loose definition, i am am alt-right. and i don't like the term, i don't like the association, and refuse to recognize anybody under that term except the Spencer group, no matter who hijacked the term - NYT r Spencer himself.

BTW i do believe as you said - that "vetting" immigrants should begin with their complete agreement to abide by laws of our society. it won't work but as a gesture it will do.

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Too late, you are now a racist white supremacist. Пишите в Спортлото :)

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blin, please don't be silly. i am not a racist. i am a middle-aged jewish woman with both "left" and "right" points on my private agenda. i fit best under "libertarian", but there are way too many lunatics there for me to embrace them officially.

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Libertarian? That's even worse! You want America to turn into Somalia! Check your privileges, lady! You are just one step removed from the evil white males. :)

Anyway, I'm glad I was able to explain something better than Arbat. And I agree with you on your assessment of his defence.

P.S. I dropped a link in your LJ in the recent feminism topic. Hope you'll find it interesting!

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i think i missed it. where?

libertarian, unless taken to randian loony extremes, is a good position.

yes, you explained it well, but the term - is useless. hijacked.

the reps are split at this point into:

1. the evangelicals. kinda Cruz + some other southerners and midwesterners.
2. the old guard - George Will etc, dying out ( and let them).
3. the former teapots, where's my spout - compromised by inner circle loonies, unorganized.
4. the New Red, blue collars and farmers, flyover folks, working rednecks, coal miners and autoworkers.
5. randoms like me, who dislike and distrust establishment, incl. 2.

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here: http://tandem-bike.livejournal.com/853915.html?thread=50492827#t50492827

Well the #4 are the popular ones right now. And they don't really care much about religion of group#1 or the political purity tests of group#2. They want to have work and social stability and to be left alone. And don't really care how that is achieved (I guess that's what scares the left and group#2).

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i cannot see it! some LJ gluck...

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http://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/

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oh, sorry, i did read this. an interesting study.

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Pretty normal behavior of us, misogynistic pigs. A girl that can think?! Me wants!

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Как появляются alt-right? Очеь просто! 20-летняя еврейская девочка из Джойзи, Демократ до мозга костей (папашка еще у Кеннеди в администрацмии работал, мамашка -нью-йоркская секулярная еврейкв, сама она волонтирила в избирательной кампании Раша Хольта и вообде аутивный член J Street) белеет от ярости, рассказывая, как поспорила о чем-то со своими черными co-eds (GW Univercity) и те ее начали попрекать ее white privilege и вообще, еврейка не может об этом судить непредвзято. В другой раз с такой же яростью рассказывает, как еще один co-ed, сам не педик, но примазывающийся, травит мидейшего и умнейшего катллического священника, который по совместительству преподавательистории религий, абортами и однополыми браками. Потом аналогичная история про местных феминисток...

А потом взяли ее пару раз на стрельбище, научили стрелять, и все - готов вреный член alt-rught, немного правее Чингиз-Хана!

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С моим отцом работает такая девушка. А потом в 2012 году их профсоюз к выборам разослал открытку. С одной стороны рабочие профсоюза разных не белых оттенков кожи с в просом "Ты с Обамой и с нами?" а с другой стороны трое белых мужчин в костюмах и вопрос "Или с ними?" Что-то у нее в голове щелкнуло

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Of course you do! That is what Arbat, I and now this gentleman are trying to explain to you. All the people not happy with or even questioning modern Left discourse are lumped together under that strange umbrella, together with the real fringe like Spenserites, no matter what they themslelves think about it. And it is done to have some weapon against Trump, who seems largely invulnearable to anything now.

It is basically the same as lumping together LGBT, transsexuals, jews, muslims, blacks, latinos and so on. All these groups generally hate each other and don't want to have anything to do with each other and yet they are all unified under the strange umhrella of "minorities" and are therefore supposed to think, behave and vote the same way.

Hell, even you an I are lumped together as alt-right, even though you deny me even the right to belong to Cohanim!

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Here is an explanation of alt-right "from the horse's mout": http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

I suggest you to read it, even if breitbart causes anaphylactic shock. Use your damn EpiPen!

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Cohen the Barbarian

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Слово misogynist теперь одно из моих любимых.
Спасибо коллективно-бессознательному антитрампу за него.
Кто-то в жж отлил чудесное определение этого термина:
misogynу = признание женщины подходящим для жизни партнёром.

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