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chasovschik ([personal profile] chasovschik) wrote2016-02-21 09:38 am
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Нету лучше тех сказок

Отделение Black Lives Matter в Нэшвилле проводило свои собрания в библиотеке.
Кто-то из посетителей обратил внимание администрации библиотеки, что на эти собрания запрещен доступ белым – правила у BLM такие.
Библиотека проинформировала BLM, что это противоречит библиотечным правилам – там запрещена любая сегрегация и прочий расизм. Потому что public property.
Борцы с расизмом свои правила менять отказались, и перенесли собрания в какую-то церковь.

После чего привычно сообщили городу и миру, что их угнетают и что white supremacy не дает им собираться в библиотеке.

И это все даже не анекдот.

Mirrored from Gears and Springs.

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, you cannot discriminate black in the bus, and you cannot discriminate white in the library. You can be right about the university, but only if the club don't pay the lease. Same about BLM: if they leased the meeting place, they can disinvite whomever they want. If it was provided by community at no fee - sorry, no "black only".
Bakery pays its taxes, utilities, etc., so get off their back, and let them deal with their revenues and possible negative publicity.
But mostly use common sense.
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At this time I see more and more cases of racism against whites, and this worries me. I've already seen info about white shaming day somewhere on the West Coast, and Ottawa city council held "hijab appreciation" day. I think this is a core of the problem. My wife already had minor problems in the grocery stores in some areas just because she looks Jewish.

[identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
well, the club is on university's land. and accepts tax breaks, too, as a student organization. etc etc. i am arguing the devil's advocacy here. when i was there it would not occur to me to try and gain entry into a men's club - it seemed silly, even as i was fairly left then, i was not civic-minded, like that Sally Frank person ( a scary woman) - who would say that my inertness was part of the oppression i was under, but i did not feel oppressed one bit, and was even invited to dances and dates in that club ( i was smazlivaya) - i just took it for granted that there are boy's clubs, period, and it did not disturb me. now, in Sally's defence - those clubs are part of the greater university, are financially and physically dependent on the university. so although i disliked her and her kampf - in the end, she was right.

that's what i mean by our hypocrisy, my hypocrisy - she was right, and yet i did not like her nor the lesbians that provoked the bakery. the bakery was a carefully chosen target, as was the Ivy club.

as to leasing, etc - this is a weak argument. money is of no consequence. what makes a real difference is the definition of a "public space" or a "public service" . i wish we had a good lawyer here to explain better than i ever could. in short - in court ( no pun intended) - any private business or event using public resources like garbage disposal and heating - can be in theory sued for using discriminatory admission tactics. those tactics will be tolerated for decades - until there is a whistle-blower, informant or a crusader who disturbs the equilibrium until the eggs cannot be unscrambled.

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as to hijab appreciation, i .. am speechless. not sure about white shaming, sounds like a joke.

how can they tell jewish from an arab?? they usually can't!!

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
1. I think that the fundamental difference is fact of pay. To make it brief: say, silk is made on Chinese land, and silk shirt is made on Chinese government- owned factory. Does China have a right to tell you, how you are allowed to wear this shirt after you bought it? No way, you paid for it. Same with the club: land use, utilities, etc. - all is included in the lease pay. But if they "just use it" - well, the scary woman is right.
2. Here it is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/whiteness-history-month-college_us_569eb6ace4b04c813761e3eb
3. Distinction is simple: she don't wear headscarf, that's all. It is not wide-spread, at least not so far, just go to the better chain, but we had it. Note that it is Canada. Nothing like that we had in MD or VA, it is quite opposite there. Aged black woman often steps back to let young white male to pass.

[identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
An aged black woman often steps back to let a young white male pass.

what's so good about that, either...

no, not pay. because you can pay to have a party at the MET. but you cannot say "whites only and no jews" for your party.

thankx for teh ref, i will look at it.

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
nothing good, I felt extremely uncomfortably.
As of pay - there must be some limitation. Otherwise in 5 years you can end up with crowd of Baltimore ghetto graduates crashing your party...

[identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
eh, i won't have a party at the MET :-)))

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-22 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
nobody ever proved that life is fair )))

[identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com 2016-02-22 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
i would not want a met party. i would want one in teh national gallery in DC

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-22 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
art gallery is also good

[identity profile] tandem-bike.livejournal.com 2016-02-21 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
wait wait. "whiteness shaming" was the accusation of the conservatives, not the purpose of the event.

[identity profile] atytarenko.livejournal.com 2016-02-22 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
...which is funny by itself, but (I cannot say about US, 8 years since I left) it is smell of skin colour issues in the air at US attic.